*Now in 1992*

We asked two curators of documenta IX—Pier Luigi Tazzi and Denys Zacharopolous—what it felt to like to work during the fall of Communism, and their responses were surprising. They avoid cliché and theorization, which makes for fascinating conversation. They juxtapose art making and history making with an intuitive, spontaneous, and joyful handling of chaos (not always on the “right side of history”). This resonates profoundly with the contemporary moment, when news headlines declare multiple crises (migration, economy, democracy), revealing a deeper crisis of spirit, libido, and imagination. Making full use of Sanja Iveković’s evolving *Monument to Revolution* on Avdi Square (located steps away from the Municipal Gallery currently directed by Denys Zacharopoulos), we gather: to imagine a future borne out of this complex continuous present and to propose a toast.

With Denys Zacharopoulos and Pier Luigi Tazzi
Moderated by documenta 14 curator Monika Szewczyk

Denys Zacharopoulos is an art historian and art critic. He directed the Domaine de Kerguéhennec, Brittany, co-directed documenta 9 in 1992, and curated the French Pavilion at the Venice Biennale in 1999. He has been the General Inspector of the French Ministry of Culture and a professor in Geneva, Grenoble, Vienna, Amsterdam, Lesbos, and Athens. Zacharopoulous has authored numerous publications. He lives and works in Greece.

Pier Luigi Tazzi was born in Colonnata, Florence, Italy, in 1941. He lives in Capalle, Florence, and Nong Prue, Chonburi, Thailand. An art critic and curator, he has been president of the non-profit organization Fondazione Lanfranco Baldi, Pelago, since 1998, and was a founding member of Cantiere Toscana, in 2016.

Monika Szewczyk is a curator of documenta 14 and a member of the Army of Beautiful Women, among many other things.